Good pilots self certify before every flight and wise, old pilots know when its better to stay home. Back when I was an F/O we flew in airplanes with single head radios. John has been quoted or mentioned in major publications, including Chron, Flying Mag, and National Review. I really want to fly but Im not sure my passion, not to mention my wallet, will be enough to get me through this process. He showed no regard for the safety of others, nor did he feel guilty about lying, just relieved he passed. Im not saying I have a medical cert, but if I did this is what I would do. Since I asked to have myself tested for apnea, and found it was a problem, and now use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine, FAA dogs me annually. Anyway I am long through flying now. I reported hypertension and was required to have an entire cardiac work-up within the past 6 months. Thus by forcing pilots to avoid medical treatment, in order to protect their medical certificate, the FAA actually promotes ill health and thus diminishes safety. As John and Dickie do point out, there are rules and hence bureaucracy in place to protect the masses. If I wanted to continue learning to fly I had to pay to visit a nomiated CAA doctor. I do medicals on two pilots who went on a vigorous diet and lost weight. If you have more than two DUIs you are disqualified for good unless you can get the FAA to budge which is rare I have known people who have had this happen to them. This exemption is exactly what I need to keep flying, and I am sure there are many others like me. Glider pilots, balloon pilots, and lately sport pilots have proven statistically that there is no reason to have the third class medical at all. Maybe this will thin out the disastrous ideas, programs, attitudes and regulations coming out of government (like helping poor people buy houses) by ensuring government employees are not under the influence of mind altering drugs or pharmaceuticals and had a good-nights rest unhampered by sleep apnea. Deaply sorry it was a dumb statement. Simple you dont need to know and if you are scared to apply for you medical because your feared in getting caught. The FAA will then require more detailed medical information before they can determine if you qualify for a medical certificate. While my husband sailed through after having lied. I suffer from multiple personality disorder, but all of the voices affirm they are qualified pilots. The Aircraft Registration Branch maintains registration records on individual aircraft and serves as a repository for airworthiness documents received from FAA field offices. For over 50 years, pilots turned to Richard L. Collins for his unique perspective on the challenges and rewards of flying light aircraft. That is when the truth will come out. Often it is not a case of pilots intentionally lying or withholding information that can get them into trouble, but ignorance of what they need to report. Here is my suggestion: Expand the gross weight of light sport airplanes to something like 1800 pounds. Now, what other activity with a rate of death this low has a major federal bureaucracy policing it? However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. The questionaire is so impossible to answer honestly because it uses the word ever. Managing a flight department or want to offer a premium service to your club members or students. Have you ever been dizzy etc. If you have a condition which COULD result in a denial then get it checked out because you have a potential medical condition that could be a problem with you living. Before every flight (sometimes several per day) I self qualify myself THAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY AS PIC!!! I would like to see how many incidents of NOT seeking medical attention, due to knowing that the FAA will pull their ticket, have led to problems. How come the standards are so different now? You just hit a key to the problem. It is a good thing that there are no sport airplanes to rent in your location. Im applying for a job where they train you to be a helicopter pilot. At medical renewal you give a different date for same previously reported event. I dont know if all pilots lie during medicals, but I do know of one who did. Please type or print legibly and remember to sign and date the request. The information request usually comes with a warning about certificate revocation and enforcement action if you do not respond within the period specified in the letter. The medical only looks at your health at the point in time. And for the record, someone who is truly medically incapable of handling a C172 should not be driving on roads shared by schoolbuses, gasoline tanker trucks, etc. Your signature at the bottom authorizes the FAA to search the National Drivers Registry for violations involving alcohol or illegal drugs, for instance, so you may want to think twice about trying to conceal a drunk driving conviction. Lie by default. I hope the AOPA and the EAA will also move quickly, and I want to thank both organizations for this effort. The AME is there to help you get a medical LEGALLY when you have one or more disqualifying conditions. I flew for 16 years in the Air Force with a known heart murmur that I know would preclude me form a civilian 1st class. I have thought about going Sport Pilot but if I am not healthy enough to pass tests for a 3rd class physical I am not healthy enough to fly sport pilot. Misdiagnosed with epilepsy. Taint worth messing up folks. I take my family on flights in my aircraft and there is no way I am going to put them at risk. Most of us fly for recreation and a burning fire within to fly, and the Sport program can be just the ticket. Who would you send them to? Whether or not your AME issues your medical certificate, the FAAs Aeromedical Certification Division (AMCD) will review your application. Hey Guys as you know there is nothing private on the internet. have you ever once in your life had and on the other hand they are so vague. He had diabetes. Now a question: Should 80+ year old pilots with type II diabetes, hypertension, a coronary artery stent or two, on 3-4 medications be allowed to fly a 6000# gross weight airplane with 5 passengers up to 14,000 feet, VFR or IFR without having had a medical exam by an AME? Every child at some point decides to spin around and around until they are dizzy and fall down. For airmen, this, like so many other aspects of aviation, is a judgment call'but one that also gets tangled up in personal ethics. This is likely true for those receiving social security disability benefits as well, What Happens When the FAA gets Suspicious. Your family and friends consider you more important than any flying you may do. Yeah that is what I have been hearing. Does anyone know the statistics of how often a dead pilot at a crash is found to have prescribed medications for a condition that has not been reported on the 8500-8? I think ill just go to Mexico and get a falsified medical. One may invoke Fifth Amendment rights, but not outright lie. The other crewmembers will consult the seniority list to see how they fare after my death. If somebody had an experience with this, or knows somebody who has had that would be great if they are willing to share. Specifically, those questions are question 17 (the question about current use of medications), question 18m (the question about mental disorders of any sort), and question 19 (the question about visits to healthcare professionals in the past 3 years). And even if you assume not, an investigation will cause a demand to produce documents and then the liar is cooked. Brian, what about a medication that was rx when you were eight and havent taken for 20yrs? Let me repeat that, every single one, no exceptions. Those are hard to fake. Remove the AME from the loop, and there is no one but the pilot to judge whether the above situation is safe. Insurance companies now have a way out of paying the claim and if there were passengers or other property damage involved now lawyers get involvedsomething to think about! In this application, you must disclose any information about a condition that has the potential to affect your eligibility to fly. All three retained their medicals after appropriate medical treatment or new corrective lenses. Eat right, excercise, dont smoke, and dont take drugs of any kind. BUT I HAVE 40+ YEARS AND 5100 HRS OF PIC IN MY OWN AIR CRAFT WITH OUT INCIDENT OR ACCIDENT. 3. And maintaining a Commercial Driver License with some illnesses is more difficult than maintaining and FAA Medical Certificate. Most women get frequent headaches-about once a month, and heaven forbid but we do go to the doctor and get X-rays and tests once or twice a year. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. maybe for some people want or need to lie, I jus cant do that..ur only foolin urself..I wud feel better knowin Im ok,,by bein checked..by doc,least bp anyway..if I dont feel good to drive then I wouldnt feel good to fly either..i know first hand,retired truck driver,been there done that,also their silent killers.pays to be checked by ur own doc..have idea where u stand medically.. get off fried foods n dont smoke is a BIG HELP..when I dont lie I feel better bout it too. I lost my career as an airline pilot (major airline) and my life spiraled out of control. The next hell will be finding out what conditions they place on that SI. Manage it and you will not have to lie to the FAA, or your AME, or your PCP. If you are stupid and want to wait months for a medical waiver. I cheeted on a eye test flowen with out a incedent. I just wonder why? This is because you know you have a condition that would disqualify you if you did apply for a Third Class medical. Any help would be greatly appreciated thank you. Should I mention this to my AME? I did years later and got totally cleared. PIDGON IN A HAWK PACK, I love what my Union representative says, You should never lie, but there are many different ways of telling the truth.. Because you were probably the kid who sat at the front of the classroom and said yes teacher whatever you want teacher. They have little to do but think up new restrictions, all under the banner of safety. How do we know that health issues rarely cause flying accidents? I found their reaction to my sleep apnea to be too late, ineffective, and over reacting. Theyre just scared something is going to happen in the air. That would translate into 45-50 deaths a year. Moreover, there are strategies that will improve your chances of gaining medical certification legally and more quickly even if health is an issue. Emmons wait until you have an episode of situational hypertension or have to see a marriage counselor. Don't undergo a physical exam if you suspect you might be disqualified. Assuming you appropriately responded to one of these three questions, your application was likely deferred and the FAA sent you a letter, requesting medical records. Yeah thought so. Students and young pilots just want to fly. You actually do have a point and I think the same thing sometimes if people want to be private pilots they shouldnt even have to carry a third class medical just their drivers license. As one previous poster mentioned, why not let the AME make more of the calls, especially for class 3? I dont blame poeple for lying. In the latest installment of The Great Debate, Richard Collins asks you to weigh in on whether pilots are truthful when they visit the AME. I can meet Class 1 if I fib. If anyone cares to share their thoughts or any advice I would appreciate hearing from you. I showed him on the form. We can never win with you, only lose. Further more, if an airman lies and is in a serious accident with injuries or fatalities, his entire medical history will be examined and subsequent legal action may not be beneficial to his or her heirs. It's not those. Driving While Impaired (DWI) from alcohol, drugs, texting and exhaustion is obviously a serious problem and every driver self certifies, there is no evidence in the National Traffic Safety Data Base, that accidents caused by preexisting health conditions and the medications used for their treatment, is a major problem. There are too many who are afraid of liability. If successful with testing, you can then make further arguments that you do not have an aeromedically significant medical condition. Question 17 can identify for the FAA that an individual is currently taking a disqualifying medication such as Adderall, Ritalin, Concerta, Strattera, etc, commonly used to treat ADHD. Thank you for the post. Takes the wind out of your sails. Is being illiterate a bar to being a pilot conquer? If one does lie this is an example of what could happen facing fines of up to $250,000,and possibly up to 5 years of federal imprisonment,and certificate revocation. If youre over 40 and your first-class medical is not renewed within six calendar months, itll revert to the privileges of a second-class medical for an additional six months. R: Sleep Apnea. PLEASE HELP I can now only fly Sport due to a medical condition that will cause me to fail the third class medical exam if I take it. While I share our concern about pilots going unconscious in flight, I have as much concern about FAA going unconscious while on the job. By now most of you know there are way too many federal employees standing around over paid and coming up with way too many regulations to try and justify their job. The FAA would, if it could, ban all general aviation to create a perfect safety record, and thus avoid any potential criticism from the press and Congress. I served 6 years with the U.S. Secret Service, protecting POTUS and his family. in detail and conduct a physical exam. What does this mean? I forgot to mention that your Idea sounds like a good Idea. So why are private pilots singled out for this rediculous harrassment ? If you have ever been denied a medical, you still cannot go in and just use your drivers license. One of the greatest fears among aspiring and qualified pilots is not being issued or losing their medical certificate. I am all in favour of your own doctors certificate of good health. The Third Class is an absolute joke. There, see you did lie on your medical didnt you. Some of us just have problems in our lives that are difficult to deal with. 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